I REALLY like the Camaro! (from the other side of the Atlantic)

Hi,

My name is Nuno and I'm from Portugal. For those who do not know where that is I'll explain so you don't have to go search it out It's in Europe, the first country in the Atlantic ocean. So if you were in New York looking at the ocean and had super eyes you would see Portugal on the other side!

Here in Portugal I have never seen a Camaro on the street but I really like this car!

I would like to buy one that actually works but would be very cheap. I would repair it later when I could afford it!


So my questions are:

1. What do you think is the lowest price for a Camaro, that works,  I'm going to find?
2. SS and RS? What real diferences there are?
3. Will it be difficuld to buy Camaro parts in Europe?
4. How much petrol do this things "eat"? Petrol here is VERY expensive here. 1 US Gallon is 3.78L and that costs 5.17€ and that it $7.13!!!
5. As anyone ever shipped a car from USA to Europe by ship (across the Atlantic)?
6. Anyone know a shop or a person that would sell me a 1st generation Camaro with this "conditions" I said and be able to ship it to me in Portugal?


Sorry for the english, I did my best. Hope you understand me.


Thank you very much,

Nuno.

Hello Nuno.  I'm in the Navy and have cruised along your coast many times.  I haven't had the priviledge of visiting your country but I hope I get the chance to on my next cruise.

First, I recommend monitoring Camaro sales on ebay for an idea of what they're selling for.  There you can see various models of widely varying quality for a general idea of cost.  Yes, they can be shipped but I have no idea of the cost.  Any car you have shipped to your country may require modifications to meet local laws and standards.

RS or SS?  They're two different things.  RS is an appearance package, SS a performance package.  They can be had together and make for a very nice Camaro.  There's tons of Camaro info on the web so do some searching.  The last time I drove a V8 1st Gen. Camaro with a 4 barrel carb regularly I think it got about 14 miles per gallon.  Certainly no more than that.  Not practical for a lot of driving at those fuel costs.  Condition and tuning of the engine will determine that.  You may do a little better.  They're not nearly as fuel efficient as late model fuel injected cars.

You english is excellent.  Better than lot of Americans, and that's no joke.

Enjoy your search.

Yea gas is a killer on those cars. If you can offord it great! but if not I suggest a 4th generation v6. A good daily driver in my opinion. What do you think about the 4th generations? I love them...but I cant say I wouldnt rather have a 69'.

SMoon67, I hope you get the chance to visit Portugal soon enought, it is a beautiful country with beautiful beaches.

Thank you for your're awnser. I now know what SS and RS mean. I had no ideia, I thought it were RallySport and SuperSport. At least I got one right!

The car would be to be driven only at weekend, at least for now. When I could afford it I would like to buy a new engine, much more efficient!

For know I just wanted to buy a 1st gen Camaro for the least money I could. It just had to drive so I could go with it to the beach at the weekend.

I'm going to search on eBay then. Thanks a lot!



camroadrenaline, I really like the 1st gen Camaro and that's the one I'm aiming for. Hope I can find one really cheap that drives! Thanks.

Nuno,
You're right about Rally Sport and Super Sport.  That's what the initials stand for.  Now you know a little about what they represent.  Find some pictures online to see what they add to the car.  My own 67 is an RS/SS so it has both.  I especially like the hideaway headlights which is the most obvious part of the RS package.

Good luck in your search.

I would like to get at least a Camaro RS V8. If I could I would get the SS too.

Isn't it normal to see people here in the forums selling Camaros? Or people that know other people selling them?

Is it possible to find a Camaro 1st gen that actually work and drives on the street for $3000?

Not in this country!

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ORIGINAL: jonnyNITRO

Not in this country!

What is the lowest price you think I can find for a 1st gen that drives?

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ORIGINAL: camroadrenaline

I suggest a 4th generation v6.

I think he was looking for a REAL Camaro. LOL J/K

Yes, I'm only interested in the 1st Gen Camaro!!!

Just a basic Camaro, probably $6000 in good running condition.
If it's an RS.. $8000-12000 and a SS $10000- 20000.

But... it's really what the market will carry. And like it's been said here MANY times before, a car's value is only worth what someone will pay for it.
Right now, the market is HOT for the 1st Gen Camaros. First you've got the Barrett Jackson (look at all the money I have) auctions, then you've got Unique Performance, Chip Foose and Year One Unveil New Line of Custom 1969 Camaros (searching the country for 500 deadbeat Camaros to fix up, and then you have the Transformers movie that's got everybody all hyped up over the 2008 which is supposed to symbolize the 1969 Camaro (I don't think so).

10 years ago, I bought my '67 for $800. My '69 was $1000 which was about 7 years ago and now these things are collecting $10K and up. Also, watching eBay to get an idea of the market price isn't all that accurate. They know their audience is much larger than a local paper or street corner lot so they call for higher prices. And most buyers pay without ever sitting in the car! That's nuts. Unless you've got money to burn and it doesn't sound like you do.

So prices are MUCH higher than they should be right now. Think of it as the housing market. There's a time to buy a house, hold onto it and then sell it. You've got to watch the market. And I'd say this is the best time to sell a Camaro.
Just my opinion of course. I'm NOT selling mine!

Shipping a car overseas could be expensive, I don't know. But look in the papers or online for used cars in Europe first if you haven't done so. With gas prices that high maybe someone has a Camaro stashed in a garage or back yard somewhere.

Good luck.

$1000 7 years ago? wow!!!


But thanks! I'm more "illuminated" now! :)


This high prices are going to stay like this for this year and the next at least, don't you think?

gas is really expensive there... i get about 12 miles per gallon... which is like nothing.. and i am spending a fortune on gas i couldnt imagine what you would be spending.... but you can probably get a camaro for 10-15 grand that runs well... i would suggest getting one wtih a 327 small block... they are in my opinion one of the best engies are the era and they are very reliable and they can get up in go.... definatly do not get a 396 or 427! keep it to the 327 or 350's they will last you longer....

What's the problem with the 396 and the 427? These two are small block too, right?

What's the difference between small block and big block engines on the Camaro 1st gen?


I'd like to get a Camaro with a powerful engine. A true musclecar!

Where can I see the torque of each motor and the red line of each motor that can come with a 1st gen Camaro?

A small block Chevy is something like a 327 or 350 Cubic Inches (the most common). And the most common Big Blocks are the early 396, 427 and the 454!
Now back in the 60s, engine had a ton of power. Depending on the car that the motor was in, it could have about the same amount of horsepower as it did cubic inches, 350CI = 355 HP, 427 = 430 HP, 454 = 450HP. But, in the 70's that was destroyed with SMOG regulations. HP dropped dramatically. Now, that doesn't mean you can't find a good engine from the 70s and build it back up to snuff, but it is generally looked down upon since most owners are looking for matching numbers. Getting the engine that came with the car.

The small blocks, 327 and 350 will give you plenty of HP to have fun and it is most definitely a true muscle car. The Big Blocks will just guzzle a lot more fuel and spin the tires more.
It's your choice of course.

I see... But with the regulations now because of the polluition thats not how it works anymore!


Isn't there any site where I can see how much power those engines can generate with the regulations that exist now?

What regulations are you talking about?

The CO2 emissions and noise levels. That kind of stuff!

Those regulations are much more severe than in the 70s!

Another thing...

What are the big differences between this 3 engines?

L65 350ci/250HP V8 2BC - non-SS, 1969 only
LM1 350ci/255HP V8 4BC - non-SS, regular fuel, 1969 only
L48 350ci/295HP V8 4BC - SS only, rated 300HP in 1969

hey nuno try this site www.maplemotors.net  and i know they will ship u a camaro