turbo charge LS1

I am going to buy a LS1 camaro and turbo charge it. i was wondering if anyone here has and if so do you know what year is the best as in has the best components to go along with putting the turbo on? Also what brand of turbo did you use along with size? i am looking for hp numbers to be between 550 and 600. i have just started looking a little and wanted some previous experienced advice. thank you.

first, if you want to "turbo"...... get rid of the ls1 and drop in a v-tech.  now if you want to make thay ls1 move, spray it or supercharge it.

Or better yet, bore and stroke, go all motor and stomp on the little ricer boi's with their blow-off valves and turbos.

www.ststurbo.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t65VypaaRJU

turbos If your gonna drag race it then go with a supercharger.

you guys... i would take a supercharger for street use, for track only car.. deffently turbo.. and the "superchargers" arent really super chargers, it's a pulley powered turbine

but i would MUCH prefer to use a n/a build. Cams/Heads LS1 can run a low 11, add some N2O and your in the 10s. of corse, with supporting mods and DRs, and great rear end too.

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ORIGINAL: bluovlh8er

first, if you want to "turbo"...... get rid of the ls1 and drop in a v-tech.  now if you want to make thay ls1 move, spray it or supercharge it.

 
why would a supercharger be any different than a turbo?
when it comes to forced induction alot of people (including members here) seem to draw lines and classifications that dont exist.
 
boost is boost is boost ovulator, i dont care how its getting into the engine.  There are differences in the behavior of each system, but your intake manifold doesnt know about this.
 
a turbo and SC are no more or less streetable than each other there yenko, it all depends on the tuning.  the only difference with turbo's is you can more easily increase the boost, bc SCs require a pulley swap.
 
 
importmd, the sts turbo kits are..... not really the way to go.   Anyone can slap a turbo on any motor and have a car thats .3 seconds faster and makes a cool "pfffft" noise, but i think were talking performance here.
 
Spartan, some of the fastest streetable cars on tech are single frontmount turbo cars.  very streetable, but these guys have 9 second slips.
 
ok, now to the OP, the ls1 is not designed to handle boost.  it has a very high compression ratio from the factory.  this is more inducive to nitrous and NA performance.
if you are dead set on turbo (which i will do some day when I actually have a real job, so dont let these guys discourage you) you will want to get pretty much a completely new motor made.  you will be replacing about all of the components anyways (to do it right) might as well have a drop in engine assembled.  you want forged internals, low compression about 8.5:1.  This is really the only way I would turbo an ls1 (or really LSX at this point, that is probably the block id go with)

yea, that's why i said a s/c for street use. smaller pulley, lower boost, less strain on engine for DD. for a strip only car, use a big ass turbo, and turbos are more efficent. less loss, which a strip only car would be looking for. you could always turbo a street car though. dont get me wrong there. but also, a turbo is alot more simplicity for instalation, for a DD car.

Wow some of you people are really ignorant about turbos. Some of the best and fastest street cars are running turbos. A well set up turbo will be very streetable and fast at the track.

Dont call me out,  theres nothing wrong with sts kits, 548 whp @ 8 psi is a little more than .3 off your 1/4.  http://www.ststurbo.com/camaro_ls1

He was asking for ideas, i gave one.

the only problem with the STS is it is alot of lag. but other than that, a great looking kit.

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ORIGINAL: ninetysixyenko

yea, that's why i said a s/c for street use. smaller pulley, lower boost, less strain on engine for DD. for a strip only car, use a big ass turbo, and turbos are more efficent. less loss, which a strip only car would be looking for. you could always turbo a street car though. dont get me wrong there. but also, a turbo is alot more simplicity for instalation, for a DD car.

For stip only use I'd go with a S/C hands down.  An Eaton S/C produces boost off the line like a twin skrew type blower, but also spools like a Vortech or other turbine style supercharger.  Look at the fastest accelerating vehicle on the planet, do they use turbos or S/C...

Now don't get me wrong, a turbo can be great for a street/strip car, but overall Specter has the right idea, to run any good amount of boost and to truly benefit from the turbo you need to run lower compression etc.  Expensive to do it right...

Veyron is quad turbo, i think we need to asked two things, whats your budget, and what are you going to use it for.  as far as building boost at a stand still you can run antilag, or  if its a auto, just brake boost.  I dont know much about the difffrent classes in pro drag racing, but when i watch the full bodied cars (not funny cars) the mustangs and camaros seem to be turbocharged.

yea. i always see turbos too, the s/c is great for no lag, and lower Tq curve cars, but like importmd said, you can brake boost and what not.

i have noticed though, that after about 2500HP, they no longer use turbos, they use s/cs. something about turbo's acting funny in the way upper HP numbers. or so i've heard.. i'd still use a s/c for a street car though.

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ORIGINAL: importmd

Veyron is quad turbo, i think we need to asked two things, whats your budget, and what are you going to use it for.  as far as building boost at a stand still you can run antilag, or  if its a auto, just brake boost.  I dont know much about the difffrent classes in pro drag racing, but when i watch the full bodied cars (not funny cars) the mustangs and camaros seem to be turbocharged.

I didn't say fastest production car, I just said fastest accelerating vehicle on the planet that is strip only, which would be the Top Fuel Dragster, which obviously run S/C not turbo...and make around 8000 HP, not a little wimpy 1000 hp like the Veyron.  Plus, the Veyron isn't the fastest production car anymore anyway, the Shelby Aero Twin Turbo or what ever it's called is.

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ORIGINAL: importmd

Dont call me out,  theres nothing wrong with sts kits, 548 whp @ 8 psi is a little more than .3 off your 1/4.  http://www.ststurbo.com/camaro_ls1

He was asking for ideas, i gave one.

 
I was actually the nicest to u because you gave sound advice.  I would just steer away from the STS kids personally. 
 
 
and yenko, the point i was trying to make is that there is no difference in streetability between the systems.  i mentioned the boost thing because alot of guys will overboost their turbos because it doesnt take any parts to do so, but thats operator error, not the systems fault.  Truth be told, the fastest cars in existance run superchargers.   For street I would personally do turbo just because lag is street friendly.  all of the performance shortcomings you can think of can actually offset the imperfections of running on the street.

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ORIGINAL: JD1969

Wow some of you people are really ignorant about turbos. Some of the best and fastest street cars are running turbos. A well set up turbo will be very streetable and fast at the track.

Theres nothing wrong with turbos..if you are your own mechanic or have the money to get them tuned, repaired, and taken care of. That stuff gets complicated.

Last time i checked we were talking about street cars, not top fuel drag cars. A 1000hp is whimpy? and to just listed the two fastest street cars in the world,  both running multi turbo setups.  You guys missed the boat again, the guy wanted to know about turbo setups.

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ORIGINAL: ninetysixyenko

yea, that's why i said a s/c for street use. smaller pulley, lower boost, less strain on engine for DD. for a strip only car, use a big ass turbo, and turbos are more efficent. less loss, which a strip only car would be looking for. you could always turbo a street car though. dont get me wrong there. but also, a turbo is alot more simplicity for instalation, for a DD car.

For stip only use I'd go with a S/C hands down.  An Eaton S/C produces boost off the line like a twin skrew type blower, but also spools like a Vortech or other turbine style supercharger.  Look at the fastest accelerating vehicle on the planet, do they use turbos or S/C...

Now don't get me wrong, a turbo can be great for a street/strip car, but overall Specter has the right idea, to run any good amount of boost and to truly benefit from the turbo you need to run lower compression etc.  Expensive to do it right...

Wow, now I have to start quoting myself to defend myself...

Let me break it down for you what I'm trying to say here...
From the quoted post by ninetysixyenko:  "that's why i said a s/c for street use."  as well as "for a strip only car, use a big ass turbo"

I was simply trying to say that I would go the other way around, for a strip only car go S/C for a street/strip car go for a turbo.  Just like Specter said, the lag that you get from a turbo can be to your benefit on the street for normal driving conditions.  And the 1000 HP being wimpy was sarcastic, like, humor...plus, I still think that 1000 HP is quite weak in comparison to 8000, but take from that what you will. 

heads/cam/spray

Man import you get way too up tight about stuff... But turbos arent THAT bad, but they can cause engine problems like mentioned before, expect to repair stuff... alot.. Those cars on the drag strip every weekend with turbos are always in the shop during the week.. i stand by superchargers for street/strip use. If you want to go on the twisties then a turbo would be a great idea but in drag races its all about off the line speed.

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ORIGINAL: Spartan66

Man import you get way too up tight about stuff... But turbos arent THAT bad, but they can cause engine problems like mentioned before, expect to repair stuff... alot.. Those cars on the drag strip every weekend with turbos are always in the shop during the week.. i stand by superchargers for street/strip use. If you want to go on the twisties then a turbo would be a great idea but in drag races its all about off the line speed.

instead of chewing u out, i just want u to go through your post and answer: "why?" 

im not up tight, this guy wants to turbo his car, so he asks about turbo setups.  So you guys go off about s/c. He didnt ask which is better, or what you think about turbos. and then talk about 8000 almighty horsepower that has to be rebuilt after each run, maybe thats why street cars run a weak 1000hp so they can be used more than once. Still no one has asked this guy who started this thread what he wants to do with his car or what his budget is.