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RE: New purchase - 2/24/2008 7:49:00 PM    SpecterGT260 Black Stig FTW Posts: 4220 Joined: 6/5/2007 Status: offline unless u have substantial suspension mods the strut tower brace is just for looks because chances are your tires cannot even sustain enough lateral force to result in any body flex. but mostly i was just giving u crap. shorties actually do give almost as much hp as LT's, they are just lacking in the low end torque department. _____________________________ quote: ORIGINAL: BigNic if she offers to shift for you its on..... http://www.camaroforums.com/m_109346/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm# (in reply to 98ss4REAL) Post #: 11

RE: New purchase - 2/24/2008 7:51:33 PM    98ss4REAL   Posts: 696 Joined: 12/27/2006 Status: offline my car always twisted at the line more the front end and i got it to see if it would help and it did and shortys are **** i mean come on dont try to back them.. _____________________________ 98 ss 65k for sale-moded 02 z28 40k for sale-stock (in reply to SpecterGT260) Post #: 12

RE: New purchase - 2/24/2008 7:59:39 PM    SpecterGT260 Black Stig FTW Posts: 4220 Joined: 6/5/2007 Status: offline now, ill start this by saying that I bought LT's.   however, ur just plain wrong and it sounds like u just arent giving them an open mind.   I always suggest that someone get LT's if they have the option, but this guy has emissions, and LT's are hard to get through. a header's flow is ONLY related to its diameter and "smoothness".   longtubes and shorties have EXACTLY the same tube diameter, collecter diameter, and are both made of mandrel bent tubing.   So they will flow exactly the same in any flow test.   the only difference is that longtubes can be better balanced for the scavenging effect.  like i said before, this promotes low end torque and has a slight advantage in hp, but shorties and mid length (which have the same dimensions of shorties with more piping spaghetti'd in there) produce similar hp numbers.   And ive already said all of this before, so unless you have something more technical than "they are crap" dont waste our time _____________________________ quote: ORIGINAL: BigNic if she offers to shift for you its on..... http://www.camaroforums.com/m_109346/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm# (in reply to 98ss4REAL) Post #: 13

RE: New purchase - 2/24/2008 8:23:32 PM    yourGrandma   Posts: 47 Joined: 1/24/2008 Status: offline I gotta agree with specter... cause he is right _____________________________ 1994, V6, all stock accept Flowmaster catback. Next: Intake porting, CAI... Malibu Street Stock Race Car, built 350, Super Glide, floater axle... (in reply to SpecterGT260) Post #: 14

RE: New purchase - 2/24/2008 8:33:04 PM    SpecterGT260 Black Stig FTW Posts: 4220 Joined: 6/5/2007 Status: offline actually, to be completely technical a shorty will outflow a LT in a straight cfm test.  Rate of flow is inversely proportional to length of travel.  but the scavenging is the whole key because a properly built set of headers will cause a vacuum behind each chamber as the valve opens to effectively suck out the exhaust gases. _____________________________ quote: ORIGINAL: BigNic if she offers to shift for you its on..... http://www.camaroforums.com/m_109346/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm# (in reply to yourGrandma) Post #: 15

RE: New purchase - 2/24/2008 10:33:14 PM    95slvrZ28   Caretaker of the Ban Hamster Posts: 3155 Joined: 8/31/2006 Status: offline Finally I'm glad that I'm not the only one that has to post the difference between shorties and LTs, thanks Specter! I would like to say that in a straight CFM test the shorties would outflow the long tubes, but to get a true comparison you would have to take the shorties with a Y pipe at an equal lenght from the port, in which case you would find them being about the same flow but the long tubes would have a slight edge.  To get slightly more technical the only real reason that "flow" exists is because of temperature differentials.  The benefit of a tubular header over the stock manifold is not only the "smoothness" factor but also the tubular factor.  a round tube maximizes surface area of any given portion of the tube and thus you can generate more flow.  The longer tubes on a long tube header maximize this surface area for longer and thus they will outflow a shorty at a distance after the shorty has gone into the Y pipe and all 4 tubes have converged into 1.  This is why the long and mid tubes typically generate slightly better HP numbers, but they aren't ahead by much.  As Specter already said, it's all about torque with long tubes, there's lots of physics and sinosoidal waves etc. to get into too much detail with that. _____________________________ Moroso CAI/Kooks 1 3/4 LT Headers/catted Y/!muffler/Hooker tips. 17X9.5 Chrome Z06 wheels Exhaust clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WArqIB6esM (in reply to SpecterGT260) Post #: 16

RE: New purchase - 2/26/2008 4:44:37 PM    98ss4REAL   Posts: 696 Joined: 12/27/2006 Status: offline o they are good but no one going fast uses them lol how bout dont waste time period on buying shorties lol now thats the real statement u should have said lol i dont know one car that uses let alone anyone who even wants them and is looking lol why back crap i think its funny but watev for emissions and all i can see that but otherwise its a no cuz there is no reason unless u are going for looks... _____________________________ 98 ss 65k for sale-moded 02 z28 40k for sale-stock (in reply to 95slvrZ28) Post #: 17

RE: New purchase - 2/26/2008 4:50:01 PM    SpecterGT260 Black Stig FTW Posts: 4220 Joined: 6/5/2007 Status: offline 2 things "lol" is not a suitable substitute for a period.  u keep saying its just for looks.   that statement is a false statement.  it is incorrect.  it is not right.  i dont know how many ways to tell u this.   ur wrong. we gave their limitations and said that if no emissions testing is involved that LT's are the way to go.  _____________________________ quote: ORIGINAL: BigNic if she offers to shift for you its on..... http://www.camaroforums.com/m_109346/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm# (in reply to 98ss4REAL) Post #: 18

RE: New purchase - 2/26/2008 4:52:11 PM    ninetysixyenko Posts: 2087 Joined: 5/11/2007 Status: offline they make em for a reason.. people buy em. _____________________________ DC-Sport Header Back Exhaust, Injen SRI, AEM Under Drive Pulleys, B&M Short-Throw, Big Brake Kit, Torque Dampener. 5% Tint All Around, Halo''''s (in reply to 98ss4REAL) Post #: 19

RE: New purchase - 2/26/2008 4:57:13 PM    98ss4REAL   Posts: 696 Joined: 12/27/2006 Status: offline dam bitch u aint no nerd i coulda swore u were lmao spect take ur ritalin haha wat im saying is who the fuk uses them and the only thing i can see is for looks its no right or wrong stop trying to be mr.correct its kinda annoying but if u still wanna bak the crap go for it... _____________________________ 98 ss 65k for sale-moded 02 z28 40k for sale-stock (in reply to SpecterGT260) Post #: 20

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