RE: HydroMaro project
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RE: HydroMaro project - 7/3/2008 2:49:19 PM
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SpecterGT260
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did any of you guys look at the ls1.com link? i went into alot more stuff there... more than I care to type again.
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RE: HydroMaro project - 7/3/2008 4:55:21 PM
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brassknukl
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ok spec
i read almost all of it.
it was alot so im kinda forgeting all the ?s
btw now im convinced your a robot.
anyway....
so your saying if you split hydrogen from the oxygen in water (even at a high rate). then run into a carb it will combine with the oxygen in the intake/carb and return to water? basically then your putting gas and water into the cylinders?
or is it that hydrogen burns too hot to be in a cylinder?
or the devices produce too little actual hydrogen? (cause the some of the videos seem like alot)
or all of the above? cause it seems like all of these engines doing this would fail.
and i havent seen one that said it didnt work.
would it be possible to run an engine if it was designed to hadle the hydrogen combustion?
my plan was to use an OLD yamaha motorcycle so it wouldnt have to produce a whole lot.
if i could produce an adequete amount of hydrogen could i choke out the air flow to match this?
so then my air:fuel would be more ideal?
im not trying to disagree with you im just extremely curious about this.
and you seem to be smart enough and willing enough to share knowledge that it makes you the guy to ask.
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RE: HydroMaro project - 7/3/2008 5:35:19 PM
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SpecterGT260
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im gunna type in red so its easier to pick out whats from mequote:
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ok spec
i read almost all of it.
it was alot so im kinda forgeting all the ?s
btw now im convinced your a robot. Not a robot... but chemist is pretty damn close 
anyway....
so your saying if you split hydrogen from the oxygen in water (even at a high rate). then run into a carb it will combine with the oxygen in the intake/carb and return to water? basically then your putting gas and water into the cylinders? no, its the combustion that recombines them. so you are putting hydrogen in the cyl, and it will react with oxygen when sufficient energy (aka spark) is given to the mixture
or is it that hydrogen burns too hot to be in a cylinder? yes, the main reason for rich fuel mixtures is to keep the cylinder cool so you dont melt key components. look at pictures of leaned cylinders, they usually have melted holes in them
or the devices produce too little actual hydrogen? (cause the some of the videos seem like alot)yes, it seems like alot but try to visualize what 2000rpm really is. thats a cylinder pumping 33 times each second, moving its entire volume each time. the engine will suck all HHO gas off of the top of the water faster than it is being made.
or all of the above? cause it seems like all of these engines doing this would fail.
and i havent seen one that said it didnt work. if these people arent spouting all out BS, there is 1 possible way they think its working. the process is 2 step: make hydrogen, trick computer to think its running rich. this 2nd part results in a lean burn. im not sure where it started, but some people think that hydrogen "increases combustion efficiency in a lean condition" meaning you can safely run lean. this is not true. they think that lean is a matter of NOx produces, which i addressed in the link on page 1. its a matter of heat. hydrogen burns hotter than gas. this process removes gas. 2 wrongs dont make a right.
would it be possible to run an engine if it was designed to hadle the hydrogen combustion? absolutely. in fact they already exist. the only thing that is not possible is using this cyclic process to AID in gasoline economy. also practical application is a problem... you can have a hydrogen car, but in order to work it needs a stand alone hydrogen source (aka, hydrogen as fuel. these systems use electricity as fuel for making hydrogen, not hydrogen as the fuel itself). so you would need some sponaneous way of producing hydrogen or some big ass gas tanks with H2... as long as you arent putting more energy in than the energy of combustion per mole.
my plan was to use an OLD yamaha motorcycle so it wouldnt have to produce a whole lot.
if i could produce an adequete amount of hydrogen could i choke out the air flow to match this?
so then my air:fuel would be more ideal? the issue has never been "can it run". yes, it can run on hydrogen. is it safe for the motor? absolutely not. these people put a very energetic element into the cyl, AND remove gas.... ideal means you have enough fuel to squelch detonation and keep temps down. you need fuel to do this, end of story. lean is lean.
im not trying to disagree with you im just extremely curious about this.
and you seem to be smart enough and willing enough to share knowledge that it makes you the guy to ask.
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if she offers to shift for you its on.....
http://www.camaroforums.com/m_109346/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#
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RE: HydroMaro project - 7/3/2008 11:12:26 PM
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qmracer
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It "worked" on mythbusters they ran a car on pure hydrogen the problem was the backfiring. When it backfired the flame was right off the end of the hose and that could cause an explosion of the source of the hydrogen, maybe not in what they were using. My friend has a miniature "hydrogen maker"(a jelly jar) and when he lit the end of the hose the whole thing blew up, very bad idea. I don''t think it increased the fuel mileage any but they proved it could be done.
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